”The 1% are heading for their luxury bunkers. With thousands of warheads waiting to be fired every city in NATO, Russian or Chinese countries, every industrial center or port, is surely targeted for nuclear oblivion at 2,500 degrees C. This may not include your home, then you face a lingering death from radiation and Nuclear winter”
Donald Trump is preparing to ignite the Middle East and move the world a big step closer to total war. There is a very good chance the corporate mainstream media, accomplices in massive war crimes, will be announcing “breaking news” this evening or night that the U.S., in conjunction with its evil twin Israel that bombed a Syrian air base 24 hours ago, has launched a massive attack on Syria “justified” by a false flag chemical attack on Saturday. That such an expanded and terribly dangerous escalation of the war against Syria, whose ultimate goal is Iran and Russia, should come as no surprise to anyone halfway sentient.
Open source intelligence has been available for at least 6 weeks that the world is facing a momentous point of no return unless somehow, against all odds, sane voices miraculously intervene to stop this push for world war, which could very well end with nuclear war. But don’t count on it.
I am sick at heart at the thought of what is coming. When will we ever learn? What follows were warnings shouted out in the only places – alternative media sites devoted to truth – that care to prevent such carnage. Imagine your own continuing timeline, if you can bear to do so. Somehow, some way, we must find ways to awake those Americans asleep to the evils conjured up by their own government before it is too late. I really don’t know how, but can’t resign myself to giving up, for if I do, I give up on humanity, the “humanity” Trump says so glibly is at stake as he prepares to shed more blood.
February 21, 2018
The Trump and Netanyahu governments have a problem: How to start a greatly expanded Middle-Eastern war without having a justifiable reason for one. No doubt they are working hard to solve this urgent problem. If they can’t find a “justification” (which they can’t), they will have to create one (which they will). Or perhaps they will find what they have already created. Whatever the solution, we should feel confident that they are not sitting on their hands. History teaches those who care to learn that when aggressors place a gun on the wall in the first act of their play, it must go off in the final act.
These sinister players have signaled us quite clearly what they have in store. All signs point toward an upcoming large-scale Israeli/U.S. attack on Lebanon and Syria, and all the sycophantic mainstream media are in the kitchen prepping for the feast. Russia and Iran are the main course, with Lebanon and Syria, who will be devoured first, as the hors d’oeuvres. As always, the media play along as if they don’t yet know what’s coming. Everyone in the know knows what is, just not exactly when. And the media wait with baited breath as they count down to the dramatic moment when they can report the incident that will compel the “innocent” to attack the “guilty.”
March 1, 2018
Last week I wrote that
all signs point toward an upcoming large-scale Israeli/U.S. attack on Lebanon and Syria, and all the sycophantic mainstream media are in the kitchen prepping for the feast. Russia and Iran are the main course, with Lebanon and Syria, who will be devoured first, as the hors d’oeuvres.” Those signs are growing more numerous by the day.
Israel’s mainstream newspapers, Haaretz, and the more conservative Jerusalem Post, both announce in headline news that Iran has built a new base in Syria with missiles capable of hitting Israel. One look at these newspapers with their talk of Israeli war preparations and the potential in assassinating the Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah makes it very clear that an expanded Middle Eastern war is fast approaching. Russia, Syria, and Iran are being demonized as mind control propaganda spews forth. The mainstream corporate media in the United States and other countries are sure to follow.
March 14, 2018
Donald Trump’s days of playing the passive/aggressive host of a reality-television game show are coming to an end. Either he fires all the apprentices who might slightly hesitate to wage a much larger world war and lets the bombs fly, or he will be replaced by one who will. Signs are that he has learned what his job entails and the world will suffer more death and destruction as a result.
Now we have the British Prime Minister Theresa May accusing Russia of poisoning in England the double-agent Sergei Skripal and threatening Russia to give a “credible” explanation why they killed this man or else, a man who sold the identities of Russian agents to the UK for cash, putting them in serious danger. Or else, she says, the UK “will conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom.”
Naturally she presented no evidence for Russian involvement, but the BBC, as is its wont, speculates on how the British may punish Russia, and the other corporate media chime in. But we are left to wonder where this is leading. Could it be Syria? Former British diplomat Craig Murray suggests it could be a false-flag setup aimed at raising Russiaphobia to hysterical proportions.
But to what end?
If we look to the United Nations and the accusations and threats flying from the mouth of the US Ambassador Nikki Haley, Obama’s UN Ambassador Samantha Power’s doppelganger in war lust, we see that the picture expands. Haley threatened that the US will take unilateral action in Syria against Syrian and Russian forces if the UN didn’t adopt her resolution that would have allowed anti-government terrorists plenty of time to escape from East Ghouta. She said, echoing words we have heard numerous times:
It is not the path we prefer, but it a path we have demonstrated we will take, and we are prepared to take again….When the international community fails to act, there are a Times when states are compelled to take their own action.
In response we have the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warning that another US strike on Syrian government forces would have serious consequences. And the Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimovsaying,
We have reliable information about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians. In several districts of Eastern Ghouta, a crowd was assembled with women, children, and old people, brought from other regions, who were to represent the victims of the chemical incident.
He added that “White Helmets” activists (proven to be financed by the US and UK) had already arrived at the scene with satellite video transmitters ready to film the scene and that the Russians had discovered a “laboratory for the production of chemical weapons in the village of Aftris which was liberated from terrorist.” After the planned false-flag attack, the US was going to bomb government held districts in Damascus fulfilling Haley’s threat.
And here in the US, Col. Lawrence Wilkinson, who was Secretary of State Colin Powell’s chief of staff when Powell lied at the UN in 2003 to garner support for the criminal attack on Iraq, spoke to The Israel Lobby and American Policy 2018 conference ten days ago and said, speaking of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, that:
They’re both headed for war. Of that I’m convinced. They will use Iran’s allegedly existential (sic) to Israel presence in Syria which is becoming even more so from a military perspective every day, Hezbollah’s accumulation of some 150,000 missiles if we believe our intelligence agencies. The need to set Lebanon’s economy back yet again, that’s important. Look at what they’re deliberating right now with regard to the new very, very rich gas find in the Eastern Mediterranean with Israel claiming Section 9 and Lebanon claiming Section 9. Take that, Lebanon. We’re going to bomb you, then you’ll let us have it. And that will be their excuse.
Now Rex Tillerson is out as Secretary of State and the head of the CIA, the far more war minded Mike Pompeo slides naturally into the role. Musical chairs for the power elite. As Trump has said of Pompeo,
We are on the same wavelength.
Riding that same wavelength is Nikki Haley, a trio whose alliance bodes very poorly for Middle Eastern peace or for any rapprochement with Russia. The game turns deadlier as the Presidential Apprentice learns the rules and the empire prepares to shed more innocent blood in an unholy alliance with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other “team players.”
But this time the game won’t be, in the words of another CIA liar, “a slam dunk.” The opponents are ready this time. The game has changed.
And in eastern Ukraine, the snow should be melting in the next 3-4 weeks.
March 24, 2018
Edward Curtin: False Flag Operations Will Start a New War
https://soundcloud.com/geopoliticsandempire/edward-curtin-false-flag-operations-will-start-new-war-075
RT – April 9, 2018
Israeli missile strike ‘indirect response’ to Syrian Army’s success in E. Ghouta – Damascus
Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 17:03
COMMENTS
see originals and respond HERE.. https://off-guardian.org/2018/04/10/sleepers-awake-we-are-heading-toward-imminent-disaster/
The Free 
I think people will wake up… angry, if war starts in Syria. I think the anti-war movement will explode into action and the streets will be filled with demonstrators demanding an end to the attacks on Syria. There is no public demand for a war in Syria against Russia. Send the entire staff of the Guardian instead to do the fighting and bleeding. That’ll concentrate their tiny minds. The politicians in Europe know they don’t really have public support for attacking Syria. It’s one thing to be horrified by events there. It’s something else entirely to start WW3 over some place called Ghouta. The longer the conventional stage lasts the bigger the demonstrations and opposition will grow. This is the chance of stopping it escalating even further into a nuclear conflict. Conventional war, though horrific enough, is nothing compared to nuclear war.
Corbyn must see that the BBC, the Guardian the UK media, don’t reflect public opinion at all. Hasn’t that been proven over and over again recently? He has to summon the courage to come out 100% against this madness and start telling the pure an unvarnished truth about what’s going on. He has a platform and he has a duty to use it and rally the public in opposition to slide towards nuclear war, to do anything else, to worry about what the Blairites think or the media, would be totally irresponsible and cowardly considering where we seem to be heading. Has he, though, the leadership qualities required in times like these? I doubt it. Perhaps someone else will appear and speak for and lead the people?
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Fat chance.
Hoping for sane and rational, uncorrupted leadership in the West is now tantamount to invoking the Second Coming of Christ.
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I would so love it if the corporate mainstream media, accomplices in massive war crimes, would announce “breaking fake news”.
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I’ve been listening to the news overnight, and it seems that our great free media seems to have been doing a bit of collective pant-shitting. As editors and journalists wake up to the fact that they are not in fact immune to the effects of nuclear bombs, there is a bit of gentle rowing-back on the howls of “To war! To war!” that we’ve been hearing over the past few days.
Or maybe the organ grinder has modified his instructions.
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Today programme now talking rather soberly about the Russian ambassador to Lebanon, who has said straight out that if missiles are fired on Syria they will be shot down and the sources will be targeted.
Presenter’s (Mishal Husain?) sphincter going like a rabbit’s nose. Definite decibel reduction in the “Hoo-Rah for war! Hammer the Russkies! All over by Christmas!” of the last couple of days…
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….good as soon as these people think they’ll get killed the better, the trouble is they treat all this stuff like its just some other run of the mill ” news” story, some glib smile and onto the story of how Mrs Miggens cat got stuck up a f***ing drain pipe!
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The organ grinder has had a momentary awakening only to be hit by the massive stick of the psychopathis infant in charge of the instrument.
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There are no Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer’s stationed in the east atlantic off the coast of West Africa in the region of the Canary Isle’s yet.
La Palma, “Cumbre Vieja”
Come to think of it, “Yellowstone” is a pretty big target to defend against being hit.
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As is the San Andreas fault
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Perhaps a Russkie Father of All Bombs blast 3 miles off the beam of the USS Donald Duck–calculated for maximum effect but no physical injury, other than a mother of a wave.
Kinzhal strike at the very end of the runway that Israel used for its latest strike. Again, massive mach 20 striking effect but ideally no loss of life–just a massive crater.
Satan 2 laying down 150 separate missiles across the path of the carrier group in mid-Atlantic. Again, targeting to miss by a few miles but essentially turning the path ahead into pure chaos.
This is the creative Black Sea freakout strategy employed against the Donald Cook last year, but writ a little larger.
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Posted by Muslim Dude from Pakistan, BTL on Syrian Perspective in USA, 6hr ago:
“Tomorrow’s Times of London reporting that Mrs May has told Mr Trump that Britain will need more evidence that Assad was behind the chemical attacks before joining in any retaliation.
MD: Looks like a repeat of 2013 when the rubber-stump UK ‘parliament’ decided not to support a military strike against Syria. Everyone knows the UK parliament is a rubber stamp body full of careerist politicians who will do exactly what they are told.
Now May is telling Trump she doesn’t want to join the Yankees in hitting Assad and she needs ‘evidence. ‘Evidence’ takes a minimum of weeks to gather and by that time the western MSM will have forgotten about Syria. [and the Skripals?]
TRANSLATION: The Russian bear showed its teeth and they backed down.
Am I right?
We will see tomorrow…
Good night all….off to sleep.”
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i do hope so!
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What I do find interesting from all the media disnformation we’re being bombarded with is what will Trump and the West do to retaliate against the alleged chemical attacks in Syria. The way it’s been phrased, “retaliate”, as though we in rural England have been attacked by chemical weapons (that’s of because we’re supposed to have believed everything May and Johnson have told us about Salisbury). I see no difference in being gassed to death or blown to pieces by a tomahawk cruise missile but is though the rebels are our people, not jihadis funded by the CIA.
Scant mind has been taken of the consequences for US, UK and allied forces for an attack that will cause Russia to act. The Russians have already clearly warned the Americans what they will do with their superior missile technology and a defenceless US fleet in the med (this is not even their latest ones but the ones that fly between Mach 5 and 8 and can be launched from a Bear or from the Caspian Sea).
I can only hope there are still some generals in the pentagon that are prepared to say no Trump and the evil Ned Flanders, John Bolton, who would start a disastrous war for all of us.
I recommend that people go have a look at the Saker site, a military analyst of all things Russian who has lived in the US for 20 years for information that simply doesn’t get as far as the MSM.
https://thesaker.is/
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I used to think the blustery rhetoric spewing out of Downing Street and the White House was an act, a piece of theatre designed primarily to intimidate and confuse. I am no longer sure that is the case. The stuff they are saying has become downright frothing at the mouth mad. There is no precedent for this. They are putting themselves in a position that is making it very difficult to walk back the crazy and save face.
Illiterate perma-adolescent Trump promoting Pompeo, madman Bolton and the torture lady to some of the most important posts in the USG is an extremely bad omen. With the moribund and gutless EU bowing and scraping to Washington, DC while squeaking out a few feebly worded “cautions”, Crazy May and Bungling Boris running their mouths off with abandon like barely coherent maniacs, BiBi Nutbaryahu replacing his trademark glowering scowl with a gleeful smile of joy at the prospect of annihilating the Palestinians once and for all…well, to say things are looking grim on planet Earth is an understatement. Where are the assassins or invading aliens when we need them?
Of course the always impartial and objective media is the perfect picture of responsible integrity and dutifully amplifies the madness and the stupefied and largely stupid and cowardly (sorry…but it’s true) public take it all in and roll their eyes tut-tutting at the evil Poutine as if the entire establishment losing its collective mind is not playing out right in front of them.
Is it too much Facebook and “social” media or what? Why are the majority of people so brainwashed and apathetic and unable or unwilling to comprehend the apocalyptic freak show that is pushing the world into the abyss?
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Word for word my thoughts.
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Children are conditioned to respect their elders, young adults must defer to senior bosses or be unemployable. All this makes independent thought very difficult or impossible for the majority. And thinking leaders, especially in USA, are the bad guys, is complete anathema.
Most of all, the majority have no access to alternative viewpoints and are actively chided for finding them. The extremely right wing Ed West of the Spectator called RT a threat to British minds, in effect, suggesting we simpletons could not be brainwashed by Putin. The fact that the Spectator brainwashes with impunity is of course never mentioned….I stopped reading the Spectator soon after. I do not see RT as the truth, I see it as a counterbalancing narrative put out by Russia, from the Russian viewpoint. Very dangerous, am I not?
Perhaps the biggest challenge for OffG now is not telling the truth but marketing it to a wider audience without selling out to corporate brainwashers. That is what is key…..
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And the epicentre of this risk to humanity is a propaganda operation emanating from London. Sure, Quantico, Langley, and Washington played a major part. But as Elizabeth Vos titled her piece for Disobedient Media: all (criminal) Russiagate roads lead to London. Both pillars of Russiagate – the Trump Tower meeting and the Steele Kompromat dossier – were set up by Brits: not Russians. [As I detailed on the previous forum “the air strikes in Syria”.]
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49138.htm
The opening salvo in the new Cold War was the 2012 Magnitsky Act – was also set up by a Brit (as Browder has been since 1998 – for tax purposes). A fourth pillar would be the BuzzFeed “From Russia with Blood” online dossier. This would purport to chronicle at least 14 other murders carried out by Russia in the Home Counties “killing fields”. Only Alex Thomson has confirmed he is in possession of documents that show that it was HMRC, not GRU, or the FSB that made one of the victims, Scot Young, appear penniless. Young, who was a fixer for Berezovsky: was impailed on railings a year later. Another “victim” was Litvinenko. Two sources, French “Supercop” Paul Barril and RT (citing the Russian Prosecutors Generals office) have recently implicated Berezovsky. Capitaine Barril further implicated Mario Scaramella and MI6. When Berezovsky himself became a liability: he was hanged in a staged suicide, again according to Barril. So just who is killing Russian oligarchs and their associates: London or Moscow?
https://www.rt.com/news/423554-litvinenko-polonium-london-berezovsky/
The fifth pillar would be Skripalgate. It seems vanishingly impossible that Sergei Skripal is only tangentially related to this: given his link to Pablo Miller and Orbis. As Mikalina has commented: as no one has actually seen him …he could be in the Caribbean. Nothing would surprise me.
This is not all the government, the Cabinet Office, the JIC, and current and past members of MI6: the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn played an active and complicit part in this. At shortly after 12:41on 06/03/2018 when Boris Johnson announced, without proof, that it was Russia that poisoned (no mention of Novichok at this stage) the Skripals. First to rise in response was Thornberry who drew comparison to Litvinenko, pushed the BuzzFeed dossier, and another Magnitsky sanctions ammendment – even if “I do not believe it is appropriate for us to indulge in speculation”. Shortly after Yvette Cooper tabled a request for a “National Crime Agency investigation, or other form of police investigation, and review of all 14 cases should now take place?” – which was subsequently granted. Shortly after, Chris Bryant rose to call Putin a “murdering dictator” and call for a “proper” Magnitsky Act; Ben Bradshaw asked for an investigation into “Russian interference” and the BuzzFeed dossier. Labour have been on point – and then some – from the getgo.
The question is: how far are London and Washington prepared to go to discredit Vladimir Putin? Does their geostrategic aims in MENA include Armageddon? It would be complacent to assume not: even if just by triggering an accidental engagement. Further to that: presuming we have time to ponder such things …what damage has been done to democracy in this country? Do we even have a functional democracy if both our major democratic parties are compromised? How do we diffuse our institutionalised Russophobia if both sides of the House are promulgators of it? How do we witness that Vladimir Putin and the Russian people are not our enemy if both our major parties characterise Russia as a vengeful kleptocratic “regime”? And who do we witness this to: given that both parties are committed to a sanctions program …for crimes that they did not commit? Crimes that it would seem more plausible we ourselves committed? Who interfered in the US elections …the UK or RF? I know who my money is on. Who benefits from a strategy of extreme tension: the few or the many? If the sleepers awake: there is a great deal of work to do to redress the balance. That is, if we have not already slept too long?
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The tail wagging the dog? No, more the dog (US Deep state) using the tail to off shore some dirty tricks to avoid domestic legal trouble. Anti-Brexit UK Deep state obliged happily, as they don’t consider a Brexit UK worth ruling.
Let’s not neglect the Nethanyahoo club’s capacity to plant false flags to trick friendly rulers into their services too.
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@BigB. You are one of the very few Brits — even BTLiners — who point the finger of suspicion at London; and by London I take it you mean what I and foreign BTLiners mean: the financial City of London, which squats Above the Crown. It was Hilaire Belloc, one of the very few Anti-Imperialist Anti-Capitalist writers in England a century ago, who said, “Cromwell and the money men who backed Cromwell have made The Throne their salaried help”. New Labour and TB.Liar’s use of Royal Prerogative to start a war was part of that. And you point out that Corbyn’s new Old Labour is heading the same way: the Bells of London are chiming for Corbyn as they did for Dick Whittington. All Roads Lead to the City.
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Vexarb: that is exactly who I am implicating – “London” and the supra-national kleptocratic superclass that launder their money there. The City is the world capital of laundering dirty money: which makes a mockery of the Magnitsky sanctions agenda. They want to stop Russian money being laundered, including into £3mn in donations to the Conservative party? Or do they want externally foment a Snow Revolution redux by pressuring the oligarchs? Ultimately the aim is for a new Yeltsin era and Brzezinski federalisation of Russia: so Soros, Browder, Khordokovsky et al can continue to plunder Russias natural resources while the people are left to starve, get drunk, and die young. And they are prepared to risk turning the world to ash to get their way? Based on lies. Ultimately it’s all fake. Russiagate was and is (and I’m including Skripalgate) a fake propaganda psyop that endangers us all. Even the Russophobia is fake. It is the propaganda narrative of NATO military aggression and militaristic expansion. That’s huge profits for the upper one percent superclass. And it is personal, Putin is the one man in the way stupendous profits for the very few. There is more, the late great Robert Parry’s reporting links Browder to Soros to the Ukraine coup and Panama Papers through OCCRP …which was involved in both. And back in the glory days for low empathy kleptomaniacs: Browder’s business partners in crime at Hermitage Capital …none other than the modern equivalent of the East India Company: HSBC. So yeah, all criminal roads lead to London. Ain’t that something to be proud of!
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/02/a-blacklisted-film-and-the-new-cold-war/
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Skripal is a traitor, he probably took a shit load of money to fake his own death, of course its just theatre now he and his daughter will not only disappear down the memory hole, they’ll disapear down some sort of CIA rat line
the purpose of Salisbury was to prime the West for war in Syria, infact the whole point of this exercise is for war with Russia f***ing madness and insanity has now descended upon us
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I don’t think anyone’s dropped an h.bomb on a gas field yet.
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The USS Donald ‘sitting duck’ Cook has sailed to within 100 Kilometres of the Russian Syrian base of Tartus without informing the Russians, this has infuriated the Russians since it is common International practice for potential participants of events in the area should be notified. The US has also sent the carrier group led by the Harry S Truman to the Mediterranean, as it will take at least 7 days to cross the Atlantic it may be that a full blown attack may not take place until after April 22 or so. Could be more ‘willy waving’ from Trump, he did have three? carrier groups off North Korea not long ago. Then again I could be wrong. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-10/us-deploys-truman-carrier-strike-group-and-7-warships-cruise-missiles-mediterranean
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When the USS Donald Cook approached Crimea it was sent packing! Its Aegis system was disabled by Russian flyover jets. Perhaps the Yanks think they have solved the problem. They do not mind putting lives at risk as long as it is not the lives of Trump and Bolton (draft-dodgers).
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Troops on the ground are just collateral cannon fodder for these psychos (and I include May, Johnson, Williamson and all the usual suspects in the cabal). And troops ‘for the other side’ are just sub-human.
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I understand why you say you don’t want to give up, but the fact is that trying to awaken your fellow Americans is an impossible task. Collectively Americans, both conservative AND liberal, prefer blind obedience to their chosen tribe and remain fully enclosed in their personal echo chambers. When the missiles start flying they will be completely perplexed and still unable to recognize their own complicity in bringing about Armageddon.
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It’s possible we underestimate the numbers of people awake to the mass media lies. Let’s recall that many surveys on the JFK assassination has returned around 60% who question the official explanation. And ditto for 9/11. The relentless propaganda is intended to make doubters and questioners feel in a smaller minority than they actually are.
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Very correct Karl… however I will add here that this ‘blind tribal obedience syndrome’ is common to all men and women everywhere… it is not an American thing, it is a human thing to turn away from facing bitter truth and continue to enjoy the bliss of self-imposed ignorance… but even if it is impossible to wake this lot up, one can just keep on trying by sharing the truth… even if one person, anywhere on the earth, sees the truth that comes to light with such efforts, it would be worth it… right?
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@Zara Ali. Right: “I do not care how many votes support my position; what I want to know is, can we two — just you and I — come to an agreement by following a chain of logic link by link, wherever the argument may lead?” — Socrates
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“No-one is neutral on a runaway train, Howard Zinn(?)
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You lot are fucking nuts.
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Hmm there are two Pauls on this site. I’m not this one. Needs fixing please Admin. I’ll be Paul X or whatever
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Paul ‘X’ -I think there may be a third (yellow) one (see even higher above) unless you’re asserting a split personality!
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@Paul X and Judy J. Thanks for clearing that up, I was puzzled: one moment approving “Paul” the next moment rebutting “Paul”.
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I can change your name retrospectively if you like – does “Paul X” suit? The other “Pauls” are both trolls tho. So we shouldn’t encourage them
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And, I can be a third–“Paul A.,” then. Though I only occasionally weigh in.
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If any consolation over there Gaby Hinsliff’s attempt at rabble rousing a rerun of the 21013 Syrian anti war vote got a weak response, maybe the armchair warriors weren’t briefed that the rare “comments open” light would flash.
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Here is what logic demands.
Having experienced the false flag nuclear missile attack on Hawai’i island, I realized the following:
The actual flight time for a ICBM coming from North Korea is approximately 20 minutes. These ICBMs are not of the sophisticated design in Russian and Chinese possession. For those an equal flight time of 20 minutes to reach any target in the US can be presumed – especially when launched from submarines.
The times for Europe are less than 20 minutes.
In the worst case scenario, as is alleged above, a full scale automated self-dynamic will unravel. Everybody will/must launch everything they got. That includes a disturbing high numbers of Nations. For the majority of these (also multiple) warheads, no less than 25 megatons each should be presumed.
Those who are old enough might remember the movie “The Day After” (1983). That was a horrifying movie at the time, but absolutely falling short in depicting what will happen now. It will be much worse today, comes the whole shit to hit the fan.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in the kiloton range. 25 megaton is 2500 times more devastating. It might well be that no one will see it coming, that there will be no forewarning, no missile alert. That should be considered the worst case scenario.
Should one be warned of an incoming missile – especially after the first mushroom clouds already rose on TV/Internet – one is strongly advised to head as quickly and fast to the closest known possible target site. Head towards the closest known target site.
Because the worst case scenario is nothing one would want to ‘survive’ initially. Committing suicide is not that easy and even facing certain death, the survival instincts might prevent it from happening.
While I personally believe in the Universe as having the last word and not one of its manifestations, I concede to the wisdom of old: “What goes around, comes around”. And if only for being one of the basic laws of the Universe. No action will ever remain without reaction. It is left to the individual to ponder about the crimes perpetrated against humanity, the genocides on entire ethnicities and races and by whom those were perpetrated.
We all have to go at one point, there is no way out. When my late partner passed away, I was exposed to the most peaceful smile I have ever seen in my life. A smile that cannot be generated by anything on Earth – there is no experience that can bring about this smile- but death.
Not only in the case of an unfolding nuclear holocaust: spend time with your loved ones. Open your arms towards the Universe as others, because it is always the Universe you are dealing with.
No fear ever.
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Well that’s cheered me up no end. Eminently wise comments, I’ll concede.
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On ‘death’
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This bloke has taken ALOT of acid. Jesus Christ you lot are loony tunes.
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I hope you’re in the UK- First target of an ICBM.
I’m holed up in Thailand- Fascist ditatorship, but at least they’re not
joining in this farce. Bye, bye sucker…
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@Not The Only One. It’s how we lived, and what (if anything) we died for that matters. Easter brings the message that Life and Death on Earth are mirrored in the Heavens. Humankind has a Cosmic dimension.
“For we wrestle not [only?] against flesh and blood, but against Powers in the Heavens”. — St.Paul, Corinthians
I for one believe Muslim Dude below: the Russian Bear is not “tied to the stake and must stay the Course”; it is free, it has shown its teeth, and our ravening pack of NATZO Coursairs will back off. Perhaps this brush with Nuclear Armageddon will prompt our Sheeple to ponder “a disturbing high number of nations” who have adopted — and now openly brandish — President Truman’s Lunatic Weapon.
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you forgot to mention the after effects of the so called nuclear winter, which is predicted to plunge the northern hemisphere into a sooty toxic frozen wasteland for probably 3 years, which means nothing will grow
during the last cold war i served in the armed forces and once was shown what was described as a classified document of the Soviet target list for the UK, it was simply staggering, there literally wasn’t a place in the UK which wouldn’t get hit or affected, at the time you’d have been looking at about 30 million dead from the iniatial exchange with the rest dead within the next 2 years, there was very little civil defence contingencies, theres even less now, plus our cities are full of even more toxic shite than back in the 1980s think Grenville tower, towns and cities would burn for months hence the nuclear winter, of course this patern of destruction would be replicated across the Western world including Russia
if this kicks off it really will be a civilisational ending event, finally if you want to really depress yourself I’d suggest you watch the animated film ” When the wind blows” by Raymond Briggs, famous for his Christmas story, but this one has been forgotten, watch it and weep!
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It’s a great summary of where we stand – and daunting! As for the Ukraine do you see an attack on the Independent regions to open up another Front against Russia and to tie down their resources? Kiev has now got or is receiving the heavy weapons it wants and billions in cash, courtesy the EU and IMF. It’s an open wound on Russia’s border and close to its heartland.
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If I may borrow Theresa May’s article of probity “it is highly likely”, may I humbly ask, is it not highly likely that the Salisbury Incident was a fifth column stitch-up, preparing the ground for the so-called ‘chemical attack’ near Damascus, again an example of deep-state mischief, executed solely for the purpose of removing yet another obstacle to US hegemony in the person of Mr Assad who can now join both the Iranian Foreign Minister and the President of the Russian Federation as persona non grata. We are told that the ‘International Community’ is united in its resolve, yet when we consider that this so-called ‘International Community’ consists solely of those countries high in the index of the Military Industrial Complex, the greater proportion of nations of this world who do not subscribe to this frenzy of belligerence now need to be united as an International Peace Community. As this tapestry of lies, deceit, and duplicity becomes ever more transparent, those in positions of power who are so possessed of evil as to be willing to sanction the annihilation of humanity will be shown for the liars, cowards and bullies that they are.
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We can only hope. The problem is many of the ‘outsiders’ will be thinking that it’s best to lay low rather than be on the receiving end of a US nuke or be next in line for ‘regime change’.
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Arthur: I can read the wisdom of bodhicitta in your perceptive words.
One of his students asked Buddha, “Are you the messiah?”
“No”, answered Buddha
“Then are you a healer?”
“No”, Buddha replied.
“Then are you a teacher?” the student persisted.
“No, I am not a teacher.”
“Then what are you?” asked the student, exasperated.
“I am awake”, Buddha replied.
Shanti.
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@BigB: “I am awake”. Pasted that in my Diary, and mailed a clip to my Jewish Buddhist friend on the Israeli branch of Women Wage Peace.
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How many weeks do we all have left to live? I am a resident of a large city but I also have a country house away from any population centre. Should I plan to travel there in the coming week to be out of direct reach of the nuclear holocaust on its way?
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So you see your choices as waiting??:
..to be fried to a crisp at 2500 degrees C OR
..for a slow lingering disintegration due to radiation sickness..??
I think SEER Edward Curtin is suggesting a more active approach:
..Letting your loved ones know you love them, even unto eternity
..Heading down to whatever political power centre is close by and making
a huge fuss. Preferably in the company of those of a like mind
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see originals and respond HERE.. https://off-guardian.org/2018/04/10/sleepers-awake-we-are-heading-toward-imminent-disaster/